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Brian Kinder writes:
Evening John
Joshua KINDER looks okay, though the story gets more complex as 1869
daughter Sarah has a son George, father unknown. He is living with Job's
wife's sister ( Ann BROOKS )as George KINDER in the 71 census, George
BROOKS in 81 census, George Henry BROOKs in the 91 census, and get married
as George Henry Brooks KINDER in 1891.Not sure if George's birth started
the short change to BATTERLEY for the family, also a quick look at the
census looks like they were moving houses as well, i.e. people next to the
KINDERs seem to swop, was it a confuse the census chap?
Going back to Job KINDER ( BATTERLEY ), I had him with a ? on the tree. He
is listed on the Wirksworth site with mother only, father gone abroad,
pointing to a Ann KINDER marrying Laurence BATTERLEY. But his mother Ann
BATTERLEY also appears to have a daughter Elizabeth born 1812 also no
father, and no marriage for a Ann KINDER.
Looking on Dawn's Winster site I notice Ann BATTERLEY is listed as possible
father a Samuel KINDER. But we are a little short of Samuel KINDERs, we have
one available for marrage, one marries Martha BUXTUN 1786, one that marries
Mary SPENCER 1789 and one is father to Ann. BATTERLEY. It then struck me
that if Samuel marries Martha, and a daughter Sarah is born and Martha dies
( no death listed for her, but she also does not appear again ). When Martha
is ill Samuel fathers Ann BATTERLEY ( as Winster list ), Samuel then
remarries, Mary SPENCER. In 1840 Job BATTERLEY marries Mary BUCKLEY, and
they are living with Samuel and Mary KINDER on the 1841 census as Job and
Mary KINDER, Samuel would be his grandfather, which seemed to fit known
facts.
Now if Stuart Flint is right and Ann KINDER and Laurence BATTERLEY do exist
it's back to square one, except that at present I do not have a Ann KINDER
linked to Samuel and Mary KINDER and why is she using BATTERLEY, and Job is
listed in the IGI as mother Ann BATTERLEY, and we have a birth for Ann
BATTERLEY.
Isn't life complicated, and it's not on my direct line.
Have most of the Wirksworth KINDER's on the tree, just a few deaths and
female marriages left, and they are basically one family.
Many thanks for the Wirksworth site, made my day when I found my grandfather
on it.
Brian KINDER
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Stuart Flint writes:
Hello John
Following on after the Kinder/Batterley querie on the same page were
the names Elizabeth Birley and Samuel Axe both families which are known
to me by relationship
Samuel Axe was the son of George Perkins Axe from Hatfield Yorks. I believe
the original Axe family stem from the area around Epworth Lincolnshire
Samuel born 1859 married my wife's Gr Gr Gr Aunt Roseanne Slack daughter
of Daniel and Sarah Slack of Middleton, whilst Samuels brother Alfred Axe
born 1852 married Ellen Jones daughter of William and Mary Jones nee
Spencer Ellen Grandaughter of Peter and Mary Jones nee Flint Mary my
3XAunt sister to Samuel Flint who married Mary Killer daughter of John
and Mary Killer nee Hawley..Samuel and Alfred Axe's brother William
married Rose Killer Niece of my Gr Gr Grandmother Rose cousin to Martha
Flint, Samuel and Mary Flint's daughter who married Samuel Killer her
cousin Joiner of Steepelgrange
Samuel and Roaseanne lived in a house called South View in their day, but
on the demise of Samuel and Roseanne my father leased the house from the
Axe estate and re named it Axeholme..I lived there from age 4 years to
about age 8 years up to my parents having purchased a house from our family
of Brace at The Fields Middleton after which my wifes Grt Uncle Frank
Holmes Butler purchased it from Axe his wife Sally Slack Roseanne Axe's
neice...the house owned by the Butler family up to recent years I believe
the present owners have reverted to the original South View name..
Opposite Axeholme,in my youth, lived the Birley family..Elizabeth Ellen
Birley of this kinship born on The Lanes Middleton mentioned in the
Kinder/Batterley page married Sydney Flint son of Herbert Flint Mining
Agent of Bolehill they of my kin..Elizabeth was daughter of George and
Elizabeth Birley originally from Ashford In The Water George a Monumental
Mason and Grocer removing to first Heage near to where he had a Monumental
Yard at Buckland Hollow and then Middleton where by the 1880s Birley's
opened up a Quarry above Killer Bros Quarry near Middleton Top Engine House
where they shared a Loading Bay with my Sheldon family of Middleton (Bradley
Mineral Works opposite the cycle hire depot today) transporting their stone
by the C&HPR to Cromford Canal and then on to Buckland Hollow where
Birley's Monumental Yard was..
Elizabeth Birley's brother's were John Richard Birley Managing Director
at the quarry born at Heage who married Sarah Brookes having a son John
Brookes Birley who was a friend of my father's both being Deacons at
Middleton Congregational Church along with their kinsman Douglas Slack
George Birley married Esther Slack my wifes 3XAunt sister to Roseanne Axe
nee Slack
Mary Slack sister to Esther married Joseph Evans of Middleton they my
wife's Gr Gr Grandparents.. Slacks were also my own kin
James Birley born at Heage a foreman at the quarry married Elizabeth
Wright of Heage
whilst William Henry Birley married Minnie Beeson daughter of John Beeson
Joiner of Middleton related to Edith Taylor nee Slack ( Edith has written
her memories of Middleton on John Palmer's web pages)
When I was born, the first home I lived at was owned by John Richard Birley
called appropriately Burleigh House Opposite The Nelson Arms Public House
Middleton
We then moved to South View ( Axeholme) and then to Highfields The Fields
which my father purchased from George Brace Brace's brother James Brace
having married into my Flint family..
Alfred Axe's son Richard Norman Axe owned Clatterway Quarry at the rear of
The Pig of Lead Inn Bonsall, Alfred living firstly at The Manor House
Bonsall and then at Bonsall Lodge.
My Grt Grandmother Emily Flint was killed in Bonsall Mill Weir when on her
way to visit the Axe family at Bonsall Lodge ..She and my Grt Grandfather
Henry Flint lived at the head of Bonsall Lanes Middleton..The short cut
to Bonsall was by the Wood and then having to cross a small bridge over
the Dam to reach Bonsall village..She apparently slipped and fell into the
weir drowning before anyone could reach her...
When Alfred's first wife Ellen nee Jones died of Cancer in the 2nd year
of their marriage he remarried Margaret Carlisle of Bonsall she also my
distant kin via my Simpson / Colledge family.
Footnote
In my youth two sisters lived in the Birley house opposite Axeholme
Sarah and Millicent Birley children of John Brookes Birley both trained
nurses who remained single and became Matrons, one at a Hospital and the
other at a Children's Home..
I believe George Kinder of Ible (figures in the Kinder Batterley family )
lived with a member of the Brookes family allied kin of Birley's
Regards Stuart G Flint
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Hello John
I think I can explain the confusion re Kinder and Batterley..the
Batterley's of Ible part of my family as are at a distance the Kinders
as are Buckley's
Anne Kinder in 1816 had a son out of wedlock to Laurence Batterely by
the name of Job ..Batterley did a runner..emigrating I believe before
Job was born. Job Kinder married Mary Buckley of Middleton daughter of
John Buckley Lead Miner. As Job grew up Laurences parents helped to
raise him, and possibly due to the circumstances told the Census Enumerator
his name was Batterley...My own father was a Census Enumerator and Deputy
Registrar during the 1920s - 1950 and he often had peculiar situations
ie. where husbands had children by sisters of their wives... or unmarried
daughters who tried to make out their children were their sisters/brothers
The same Batterley family of Ible married into my sister in laws family
direct others being my allied kin from the 1840 - mid 1900s Others
living alongside Batterleys at Ible were Longden and Rains of my allied kin
Regards Stuart G Flint
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